First, it's got wheel locks (so the darn thing stays put), and second, it has two water bottle holders (also useful for putting other things like remotes). Unless you get a Spindown time bigger than 20000, the trainer is ok. This is a super basic trainer mat, which is exactly what you'll see me use. – Sound: Quieter than a Direto, not as silent as a KICKR CORE (less than your fan though) Do you know when the full review will be online? To upgrade the firmware, you should use the “upgrado” app (iOS and android). Ray, any way of introducing an edit function on posts (for those that are prone to hitting send without re reading their text). Do you have the same issue ? Plus, you'll be more awesome. The results are astounding how different they are, and in fact I’ll often re-do my tests if I forget to go into the front ring. Very confused about this product. anyway, i have sent back to my dealer, he use zwift very frequently, he will test it out for me. Thanks for reading! I was in contact with the support, but there was no progress. “The only thing I can’t find are bad things about the new Tacx devices”, Fear not, just swing over to the Tacx 2T post I did…. All the settings are pretty self-explanatory. 2′ at 100W Also nice to know that you are following discussions regarding your products. I’d be surprised otherwise. yes, that’s possible with Direto as well. It will help understanding if there is any pattern in the occurrences of failures depending on the batch. I have updated for the new firmware 191 and honestly can’t say what is different. Today I reconfigured my configuration. Just got my Suito, so far so good. Hi guys, Time will show if it holds up. Cyklistický trenažér Elite SUITO na www.alza.cz. So I’ve adjusted for that in the later graphs.). It seems highly unlikely the 4iiii Precision Pro power is accurate at nearly 800w for 10-second smoothed value. I also wonder about the wobble effect on the carbon bike frame. Looks like it´s very small and I feel that the front wheel of a MTB will be pointed up. Turn the flywheel through one rotation. But think this could be new cassette with a worn in chain and perhaps some derralier alignment needed. Please note that acting on the belt tension without Elite indication would invalidate the warranty. I’m just another guy here looking to buy his first trainer and due to noise/ease of use, I have settled on a direct drive option. You are using just a BLE Channel or the apple TV has some BLEApple Something? It convinced me to give the Suito at least a try. 50km/h. Neither Wahoo nor Kinetic support this. I will also try the erg mode on the elite trainer app to see if it is a zwift issue or the trainer. Also the 12 month coupon code that came in the box is rejected as invalid. But I’m not sure I follow on lack of communication from Elite – they’ve been pretty active here in the comments when questions arise. Still don’t know how can I resolve this issue without “your local dealer”, action begin from 27 seconds: link to photos.app.goo.gl I (normally) want the trainer to work as it should but I am aware that the fails can be in every model.. Want to use the trainer also for warming up in races and for moving it from one flat to another, is kickr core portable as much as the elites are? 4.798 kr. Hope they can sort it out in the upcoming months. As many people now that the winter is coming, I am trying to decide which trainer I should buy. I kept the faith in thinking I could troubleshoot it/maybe it was some setting I hadn’t set right, but I couldn’t. Du kan til enhver tid trække dit samtykke tilbage. Next day, first i used the trainer for half an hour and then calibrated other 2 times. It then switched to telling me to contact Support to complete the procedure. At this money would you recommend this over their Direto? To clarify, is the”road-feel” alone worth upgrading? Here's the thing, some people like front wheel blocks, some don't. I have read here that the first units of Elite Suito are having some issues… perhaps the technology used by tacx is worse due to its age? Vores partnere kan kombinere disse data med oplysninger, som du har delt med dem. Vhodné prísluÅ¡enstvo. You can enable/disable it at any time by using the my E-training app. Is this normal? It is so much better !!!! How is a wobbling flywheel going to be resolved, ship back to Elite and then ship back to me. Today I will reconfigure my setup with another dongle. Elite wish you a good training. PS: THX for the great support her and from DCRAINMAKER!!! Do you know where Elite Suito are available ? Love the handle and compactness of the unit by the way. One thing I have noticed is that there is a bit of vibration that I feel in the pedals. Be aware that there is a long Reddit topic about the wahoo devices giving problems after a month of use. Pratiquement silencieux. We see it slightly lower, as expected, since it’s further down the drive chain. Now that the CT sale is live, I think I’ll finally pull the trigger on my first trainer. I placed the BTH-Dongle right next to the smarttrainer (gap less than 20cm). or I’m sure it will go down again as it did this a few weeks back before returning to £550. For example, a couple years back we saw Wahoo add elevation via the KICKR CLIMB accessory, or Tacx prior to that with the exceedingly quiet NEO. Has anyone experienced the erg mode on the suito when using zwift gets so heavy you can barely turn the crank. In many ways, this is repeating Elite’s successes of 2017 with the original Elite Direto which dramatically shifted the price equation downwards. I suspect that the Suito will force Wahoo’s hand in some manner here. 30 seconds to increase the power, change gear in erg mode and the resistance goes so high I can’t turn the pedals. Recently received the Elite Suito in the US following a preorder. Tim, Wahoo is selling reconditioned Kickr Core trainers for $779 with free shipping and a 1 year warranty. So should I ask the retailer for another unit, because of the vibrations? Hope to get it sorted out in the next few hours. Today I did a three hour session to collect the “25 laps on the Volcano circuit” badge in Zwift, jumping to the top of the leaderboard once for fun. It’s something Wahoo has talked about for years (like, since the original KICKR), but never done. I used a sound meter on my phone attached to my handlebar and measured the loudness of the trainer. In the large ring at about 42kph, the sound meter read about 58-59DB. Hi Ray VeÅ¡keré informace o produktu. All you need to do is register the wahoo product via their app. I’ve used power match on my Gen1 Kickr since it came out, and it seems to work like a charm. Livraison 24/48h et paiement 3/4x. My wobbly flywheel out of the box : link to youtu.be, Hello, They’re the same price [Drivo is £25 cheaper than the others, at half price!]. . However, the Elite My E-training Spindown calibration does not work with either my laptop or my Android phone. I’m content with that for this stage of things, but want to ensure any changes coming for the other bits of firmware fixes don’t impact this. As discussed before, my trainer power data was 50% higher than it should be, and there was a slight wobble with cracking noises. For these tests I disable any form of power matching or smoothing, and I use the exact same custom workout across all trainers. not sure on a 1000. Just ordered the same! So in efforts to combat the amount of emails I need to sort through on a daily basis, I’ve complied this “My Photography Gear” post for your curious minds! In both the above/below graphs I’ve added smoothing of 10-seconds to make it easier to see. Will the E-traning app from Elite work offline? 2. Mine was two seconds longer than the sticker. I just want to get the second issue with longer cable. 1) Tacx flux S (T2900 older version). My local Halfords has available the three trainers below Whereas in the below case it was more of a gradual/sustained build. Borderline tears of frustration :-/. i have similar issue, both etraining and zwift ! I cracked open the app and got Zwift all paired up. watt, right after this, the watt decreases very slowly to the target-watt. The ride is better now. I have two main options because of the prices/specifications that make sense for me: A blunt statement like: “from serial number xxx onwards you should be fine” would take away a lot of hesitation in my opinion. 2. It’s been over a year since I tried the Gravat2, so honestly, I wouldn’t be in a good spot to give side by side on roadfeel. The SIM mode is what troubles me though. But it’s there for those that want it. Is it visible also when not riding? Sorry to hear of the continuing issues. Additionally, in the box is a 142mm thru-axle adapter. Laveste pris for Elite Suito er 4.789 kroner. But it is a hack and not recommended for long-term use. yes, it’s clipless slippers, Slippers are include as the cassette . Top. My first test ride on zwift went very good, i was a little bit afraid after all these problems that people have with it that i ordered my self a piece of s… So in the above case, it was a very rapid sprint. Using the Elite app. Hi Ray, first of, thank you for all the information you are sharing! Not exactly sure what the update was supposed to do, but it works fine. i rode it for 3 times the power watt was pretty much spot on ! Admittedly I’ve not used to any great degree and my max sprint is only 800w but it seemed easy to set up and responded OK to my interval workout on the garmin. I just used the elite e training app and everything worked as it should. A couple of weeks on since I got my Suito, I ve been pleased with it. – Weight: 14.5kg / 31.96lbs My Suito is being picked up by the retailer today for a refund. you can use Upgrado (the app for the firmware upgrade). Two minor tidbits that don’t really show up as well on this chart is that I don’t find the Tacx Flux S road-feel all that great (kinda sounds grinding-like), and it doesn’t fold up at all. Its accuracy seems ok next to my Avio Powersense too. I’m down to this and Kickr Core now waiting for the upcoming sale. Le choix Neuf et occasion. But then again, I do have a matching trainer/powermeter combo now. Greased the free hub and re tightened and now its just perfect. In these cases, we recommend users to update their app to the latest version or check if the trainer is correctly configured in the app. Poďme sa pozrieÅ¥, ako dopadol test trenážéra Elite SUITO, ktorý mi robí už nejaký čas spoločnosÅ¥ pri domácich tréningoch. – At about 220w and more, the trainer starts making cracking noises. October and now, five weeks later, there is still no full review, so something apparently held it back. Now that Eurobike has commenced, we know all the trainers that are out there. Update: Mettre en vente Vendre. Powerful, solid and quiet, Suito is an interactive hometrainer designed to offer you an easy, realistic and accurate indoor bike training experience. I’m now looking at what the next choice should be at a similar price point and I’ve narrowed it down to two. With this noise I consider the trainer unusable for now and like others here I wish I had not bought it. Also people complain about the support wahoo gives, then again people are very positive about the support Elite gives. After reading countless of comments and your comment it is safe to say that buying the Suito is not an option. And yes, that probably means they need to recall stock at dealers. Shifting is pretty dramatic, but I think that’s due to the new dry cassette. I've got three of these $12 fans floating around the DCR Cave, and I frequently use them on rides. There isn’t really a good/viable way for allowing edits for un-authenticated users. Only pushing 400 odd watts so it shouldn’t feel like concrete. Just slap on a 11-50 NX eagle cassette (or maybe not even a wide range). Guys, does it really looks like “completely under the tollerance” like elite support said? – silent, no wheel-on I got the longer cable, but no oil for the cassette was in the box. I also bought one and used it without issue. from My E-Training app go to Parameter -> Advanced Settings With trainerroad’s powermatch, the trainer is able to stay on target sometimes, but at an Interval change, it kicks up way too high and stays up there. The printed manual says it will automatically pick up the powermeter with the strongest signal. – Doing a calibration after using the trainer for 15 minutes at about 220w did not change the offset Elite made specific changes in the Suito around the stepper motor for ERG mode. Post by solchiere » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:59 am . How can you compare the noise between the suito and the core . So, let’s start with the box side of things. Start pedaling and it’s all good. Final thoughts: Just great, awesome !! I am currently choosing between Suito, Direto x and Kickr Core. In any case, you can enable/disable it by using the E-training app. The flywheel is a bit untrue too, noticeable at higher speeds. The unit arrived with legs intact and setup was easy with included cassette. When I bought the Suito, both it and the Direto X were -15 %, which made the Direto X cost the same as is standard Suito price. Hi Joao, Awaiting replacement unit direct from Elite. That’s good to hear. Time to send back to seller or manufacturer. Took me 15 minutes to get it unpacked, built up and adjust the bike on it. The importer replaced the unit for me. I have heard nothing back yet. A quick test of bringing the flywheel up to speed in a big gear and coasting shows that this one does not have any noticeable wobble. I had another look at the app and did not find the PML settings there at all. What are your least favorite countries/places? It sounds like at least a few weeks until they can sort out the firmware issues, which is unfortunately a story I heard before with Zumo. Specs that I was looking for: First it came without its legs (see post above, device was replaced) and now this. Instead, it’s about creating better value for the money (read: continued lower pricing), and in some cases various accessories. But I think in general most of us are more stable than we realize on the trainers. This features “takes” the values from the powermeter and uses the smart-trainer only for controlling the resistance. A little bit of me wants it to mean it’s under reading the power ;0) 1. Elite Suito available. The 30min Zwift standard workout, resolution 3s, since the Suito does not seem to give real time values. Lad os høre, hvad du synes om produktet. From what I was told it’s from the second European batch which has sorted the cracking noise and from what I can see there’s minimal to no travel in the flywheel. I switched bikes and all problems where gone. I’ll likely take TrainerRoad for a spin sometime later today (Monday), if life cooperates, allowing me to test out ERG mode. Have these problems been solved yet? Speriamo di poter rilasciare il nuovo fw per la fine di settembre/inizio Ottobre. Tested with powermeter – after calibration suito adds 30 watts to fsa Powerbox numbers. and more than 6 weeks later there is still no review nor an explanation nor a revision of the statement. I am already in contact with the support-team. I’ve spent the whole week on twenty minute rides per day where I started with both systems without any calibration. . in the DC 2019 recommended trainer the suito is the most recommended, I did not understand if for the same price it would be better than the Direto x. The inclusion of cadence in all of the signals is a huge deal for Apple TV users, whereby Apple TV is limited to two Bluetooth Smart connections (plus the Apple TV remote). Elite started adding this to the Direto trainers last year (2018), and has continued that down to the Elite Suito as well: The Suito includes a 3.5kg (7.7lbs) flywheel. First ride experience today. This smart-trainer sucks, this is my opinion. regards Can’t edit this, but actually on second look price of Kickr is c. £635. I am a serial purchaser of the slightly cheaper device with flaws that I hope either I can live with or will get worked out soon. Simulation maximale de la pente 15%. Another one with wobbling flywheel reporting in. So you can easily use that for any no-power warming session. In my experience with the Suito you don’t need to do it often, just warm up for about 10 mins or so, then use the Elite myETraining app to do the calibration. Probably due to the fact that the cassette isn’t wobbling back and forth. It’s clear Suito is having some early growing pains. During my first few trainings with the Suito, I noticed a very slow response in ERG-Mode. Calibration was after aproximately 5 attempts. Any comment/suggestion welcome. To make matters worse, I just wanted to do another test and noticed when the flywheel is brought up to speed it has a noticeable wobble (as reported also by Andrew) which is transferred to the trainer and in turn the bike frame so if you stop pedaling after any sort of acceleration (not even a sprint mind you, just a light acceleration on the big chainring) the whole setup starts wobbling underneath you. As part of my full in-depth review down the road once things start shipping, I’ll dive into many more data sets across multiple apps and different scenarios. Elite-Auto négocie en effet directement le prix de votre véhicule neuf avec les concessionnaires, permettant une économie allant de 3 à 44.00% par rapport au prix catalogue du constructeur. So, I closed all other connections, Zwift, element bolt, etc. We believe that the vibrations you feel and the power overestimation are not compliant with the production standards, and that’s why we’d like to have the trainer back and carry out comprehensive tests on its behavior. Same sort of scenario in myEtraining. Note: Branding varies by country, exact same desk. But now it’s time to shift our focus to the power accuracy bits. Now everything lines up perfectly. I.e. Even if you don't have a 4K TV, the 4K version has more powerful graphics than the base, worth the extra $30. Is it stable out of the saddle? That will be an interesting read for sure. Just bought the Suito new yesterday, hoping it would be OK to buy now that the earlier warning “banner” was taken down… first real ride on it today up Alpe du Zwift, loud knocking/banging noises coming from the unit right away once real climbing (high torque/low speed) starts. Funnily enough the trainer works just fine with Zwift…. If so, we can try to estimate how many were in the first container :-). You don’t feel it while on the trainer? Though I don’t think it was really a widespread issue. Vector 3: link to strava.com, Just to be sure (because my first few endurance-workoust without sprints, were fine too), try a workout with a few sprints or a 5 min training for example warm-up 100 watts, then 2 minutes 180 watts, 2 minutes 100 watt, 2 minutes 250 watts, 2 minutes 100 watt). The challenge is part testing, but also honestly figuring out how to best quantify it all in an even way across all vendors. DC Rainmaker 2019 swim, bike, run, and general gear list. A working ERG-Mode is a basic feature and I do not understand how this device could make it through the Q/A-process… :/. When they are going to release Elite Tuo? I’d have to pull out an old Snap, but my rough guess is that it’s quieter than the SNAP. You can check above the video posted by Andrew; the wobbling of his flywheel looks very similar to the one i see on my Suito. I am just like you, 17 days sent to guarantee and I don’t know anything yet. Today I will send it back and order a Wahoo Kickr Core…. Sent a ticket to elite support with flywheel wobbling. That’s good news. I’m pretty happy i didnt ordered yet. Companies can do various secondary belts that multiply the flywheel effect (as Elite has done in the past), or in the case of the Tacx Neo, have no physical flywheel at all, but a virtual one. What about you ? but the review that was supposed to come out ?? Oh, and you can sign-up for the newsletter here! so from this point the direto with its ots is better right= maybe that is why direto is 2% (but a lor of reviews report that is even more accurate than 2%) and this 2.5% ? If not too late consider whether you really want to begin the dance with this device right now. Le home trainer est très utilisé lors de l'hiver, il permet d'utiliser son vélo à l'intérieur : il suffit de poser la roue arrière sur le cylindre de l'appareil et de pédaler.